Had they continued to thrive, and shape the ecology of the world’s oceans, surely our seas would look much different today. Of course, this is only speculation, but there is some precedent for modern whales ramming and sinking whaling ships. I haven't been able to find anything that says whether the skull belonged to a male or female Livyatan, so I guess that's unknown, but I'm going to assume that it was a male Livyatan and that male and female Livyatans were similar in size to modern male and female sperm whales, respectively. These are the kind of creatures that have spawned myth and legend since mankind first went into the water. Megalodon young would have lived in shark nurseries closer to the shore where they’d be safer, and adults would have hunted in deeper water. In fact humpback whales, which are only 40 ft compared to 52 for an average bull sperm whale, have been recorded fighting off orcas[3]and even preventing orcas from eating dead grey whales. and leviathan is 17.5 meters and 60 tonnes. 2. Given their sophisticated behavior it is possible that the megalodon could become prey to the killer whale, however on a one on one encounter it is likely that the megalodon would come out as the reigning champion. While it is highly improbable that a remnant population of Megalodon sharks still exists somewhere in the world, what is certain is that this massive predator once ruled the ancient oceans. The modern sperm whale, fin whale, blue whale, Sei whale, Triassic kraken, pliosaurus and colossal squid could all beat the megalodon. meg is not bigger it is 18 meters and leviathan is 18 meters and its teeth would sink in and kill meg. According to the encephalization quotient(eq) system for determining intelligence, whales dumb dolphins smart. Oh I forgot it says no links because it promotes other sites. However, if you're a sea creature, speed is the most important ability. who do you think would win then? According to this system, fin, blue and minke whales intelligence is indicated to be higher than that of bottlenose dolphins(who are only considered extremely intelligent cause they were studied on more than other animals) and only surpassed by orcas, pilot whales, and of course humans. When you see a Megalodon tooth you will understand the enormous size of the species. so duh leviathan would win. As stated earlier the killer whale may have also been a worthy competitor due to their highly develop social structure and effective hunting methods. So yes, whales and elephants are in the same league as dolphins in intelligence. I usually don't approve comments with links in them, but in this case I will make an exception. Livyatan can attack with its tail, head and teeth as well as stun the meg. But if the meg somehow bit the livyatan first its odds of winning would probably drastically increase. Blubber=armor. They said megalodon because it had a stronger bite force and more robust body so If livytan rammed megalodon could endure the hit and I'm a smart biologist man so believe me so megalodon win 51 % of the time livyatan 49% of the time. Disclosure Policy | Privacy Policy | Copyright © 2020 WhaleFacts.org. leviathan bite force is 21000psi and meg is 35000psi but leviathan=huge teeth so livyatan=win, don't underestimate whales. When attacked by a megalodon shark the squalodon is believed to have gathered together to defend themselves and attack the megalodon in order to injure and weaken it. "Livyatan probably had a pod of up to around 5-20 whales much like modern pods.". numbers will always win. So what would have been the purpose of this organ? The megalodon is an ambush predator like the great white shark, and from what we know, the great white shark, if the animal is similar in size or 2/3 its size (and depending on the angle), it will instinctively opt for a first attack aimed at knocking out or fracturing its prey in order to avoid potential unnecessary injury, the second attack will be less frontal and direct. sharks are stupid whales are not. livyatan had a bite force of 21000 psi. leviathan would be too hard for meg to win and colossal squids which grow up to 22 meters or sperm whales up to 19 meters or liopleurodon which can grow up to 26 meters all beat meg (meg grows up to 18 meters). The great white on the same plane of depth as that prey, will attack directly by the jaw and several times if the prey can repel it (it is the case of the orca by proportion or of the pilot whale). Ask any whale or hippo researcher and they will not agree. Even though these beasts had gone extinct long before modern humans were even around, there is still something in us that fears the deep abyss of the open ocean, and what may lurk in its depths. So based on this I’m pretty sure we can conclude a victory for Livyatan the majority of the time. In reality, they were most likely about the same size. I also think that the Orca vs Great White isn't really a fair example. Until 2008 it was thought that Meg was the biggest, baddest thing in the prehistoric sea. either of these relatives both work in pods for self defense. Actually sperm whales and Livyatan are not the only cetaceans with thick skin. Larger whales were on the menu too, including ancient relatives of the massive Blue Whale. And that's only if (big if) the leviathan can actually land a hit on the megalodon, which it likely won't. No evidence has been found that any other creature — even the largest of dinosaurs — surpassed the blue whale in size. cryptid (author) from USA on August 17, 2019: @PeteD - That is an extremely well-researched comment. i could disagree any of the animals EASILY winning because both would have a difficult fight. From information that was gathered about these sharks it is believed that the Megalodon was able to reach lengths of up to 60 ft. long and was equipped with sharp deadly teeth that could grow to lengths of over 7 inches long making them one of the most deadly predators against dolphins and whales. Shark is victorious. and leviathan will sink in its teeth in Megalodon. Some have claimed it could kill an adult blue whale in 2 bites. Tylosaurus grew up to an estimated 45 feet (15 meters). Humpback whales have shown empathy for other species and actually save other animals from orcas. Megalodon had its bite force (which is useless if it doesn't get to bite the whale). Speed is a sharks specialty. A orca not orcas can kill any great white it runs into and has time after time so if it favors the killer whale like some other sites have said it would be no different, Livyatan is a sperm whale megalodon is a shark eatimg whale megalodon sometimes wins but livyatan sometimes wins too. The leviathan is very bulky and is more likely to survive a seriour injury than the megalodon. You should know that the studied top speed of a white shark is 56 km / h, however, we rarely observe a great white shark exceeding 40 km / h in ambush. but the only weakness is its soft underbelly. It’s interesting to imagine these two incredible prehistoric sea creatures squaring off in an epic battle, and if we were around back then we may have seen it. No matter how you spell it, leviathan is a word that describes this monster quite accurately. Which of the shark cards should I buy, and what do I spent the money on? After the dinosaurs went extinct, 65 million years ago, the biggest animals on earth were confined to the world's oceans—as witness the 50-foot-long, 50-ton prehistoric sperm whale Leviathan (also known as Livyatan) and the 50-foot-long, 50-ton Megalodon, by far the biggest shark that ever lived. they have the same size and weight so its basically orca vs great white so whale wins. It turned out sharks were not suited to being huge and whales were not suited to eating each other. This is the toughest match-up to call. The Megalodon is not necessarily a fast predator, but just an ambush. plus the livyatan was about the same size as the megalodon. However: as I said before, sharks lose speed compared to a smaller individual of similar morphology with increasing size and weight because it will spend more energy at the same speed as its reduced version because of the weight and the shark, in general, not being predators of endurance, the largest will be much slower even if their morphology allows them. With a larger, thicker body, and much more powerful bite force, not to mention wider, more massive jaws, the Megalodon was likely the apex predator even among apex predators. Modern sperm whales hold their breath for over an hour while hunting, and I seriously doubt that a fight would last that long. The majority of baleen whales in certain areas have endured several bites from orcas, who have 4 inch long teeth. Since for both species one sex was much larger than the other, the sex of the combatants would have made all the difference in a fight. 5 Horrifying Shark Encounters Caught on Tape 2017 - GoPro Surfer, Megalodon Shark Attacks Whale. 50 50 to me. so it really is 50/50 but I like whales so livyatan, I like megalodons and they are cool. Just as orcas do to great whites. I wouldn't want to offend you, but you would be the worst scientist in the field. The leviathans tooth size won't do anything as it just pierces the prey a little bit deeper. By the way nice article. Its superior bite force, speed and strength was what gave it the edge in its dangerous ocean world against all kinds of other apex predators, including large and dangerous whales. But the primary food source for both was marine mammals. Based on the skull that was found, the whole animal is estimated to have been 13.5-17.5 m long. They're close in size and both solitary animals, so this would be a close one. Using the killer whale and great white argument is wrong. Also only one attack on a humpback whale has been recorded. The megalodon was the largest predatory shark ever found in the fossil record. The Megalodon will charge towards the leviathan and if the leviathan is to slow to react, the megalodon gets a big chomp, however, if it is, the Megalodon will shoot right past it. There other animals that could beat megalodon like the Triassic "kraken", which fought off nine 45 ft long Shonisaurus and maybe a sperm whale, Mosasaurus or Shastasaurus. Livyatan might have used the aforementioned head-butting technique to clobber bigger prey items into submission, but it most likely stuck to smaller victims. Megalodon has 180kn bite force. Megalodon uses its teeth which are sharp like a sword(i know swords are better in most situations but only cause it’s fast to parry but a shark can’t parry a whales blowing I’m only comparing the offensive capabilities because you can’t block with teeth or tails). If Megalodon was just as vulnerable to being turned over as is the modern great white, Livyatan with its superior intellect (and by extension, presumably at least a modicum social skills, even among a primarily solitary species) would likely have exploited that and have shared that tactic among individuals. It does somewhat depend on who bites who first. Thanks for participating in the discussion! If the Megalodon Shark were alive today it is very unlikely that any whale or dolphin would be much of a threat or challenge to these animals, except perhaps the killer whale. Granted livyatan is smarter than the megalodon but they have the same size and strenght and the megalodon is faster and more agile. The reason for the squalodon becoming exinct is unknown however it is suggested that food competition from other marine mammals may have played a role in their exinction. The whale shark, which still exists today and survives on a diet of plankton, typically grows to about 40 feet (13 meters) in length. We have no complete fossils of either and can only make guesses. Also megalodon is not alive people. Growing to nearly 60 feet long and weighing up to 50 tons, this was a whale to be reckoned with. In addition, while orcas use their intelligence to great effect while hunting, that's in the form of cooperation and communication, enabling very effective teamwork. plus the megalodon had hard skin and it would have been hard for a Livyatan to penetrate it. Finback whales are said to be known as the greyhound of the sea because of their speed. The estimated weight of the Megalodon shark ranges from 60 tons to 115 tons. WRONG ANSWER. ummmm wahw they have the same length and weight 50 and 50 tonnes. The megalodon shark is a massive oceanic animal that existed at least 28 million years ago until it became extinct around 1.5 million years ago. meg can grow up to 18 meters and 60tonnes. I'd say the Megalodon sometimes manages to get a calf before being driven off and sometimes doesn't but rarely kills an adult female and is rarely killed by the pod of adult females. Considering megalodon preferred smaller whales, it is likely it would be difficult for it to catch the greater whale species. Various reports of the beast have come out in modern times, including alleged recent sightings in the Sea of Cortez. meg is a piece of rubbish to a leviathan. This shark was a huge predator with an incredibly powerful bite.The megalodon shark not only could eat whales, but did as a main part of its diet. Its teeth were almost twice the size of Megalodon’s, and if it was like whales of today it was a more agile swimmer. Although contested by mainstream science, there are some cryptozoologists who believe the Megalodon shark could still be alive today, perhaps in the deeper parts of the ocean. The megalodon shark is a massive oceanic animal that existed at least 28 million years ago until it became extinct around 1.5 million years ago. In 2008, a joint research … Otherwise it would probably lose. Among the possible guesses, one of the most interesting is that Livyatan may have subdued larger prey items by head-butting at high speed, thereby knocking them unconscious at which point those formidable teeth would have come into the picture. In the instance of a fight between a full-grown male of the former and a full-grown female of the latter though, I think given what we know about modern sharks and whales in almost all instances, Livyatan wins, barring poor health or a preexisting injury that would compromise its ability to overcome Meg. "56 km / h": you take it from the great white shark and you stick it directly to the megalodon. Livyatan hunted closer to the surface of the water so would be faster. People need to stop glorifying sharks and start appreciating animals for what they are. However it got it done, this massive whale was a king in the ancient ocean, with the size and weaponry necessary to take on any adversary. Livyatan is related to the sperm whale which has the thickest skin of any animal alive today meaning it will be hard for megalodon to penetrate its blubber. I don’t think intelligence is a huge factor one on one. Let’s take a closer look at each of these prehistoric sea monsters. I say its 50/50 who knows? If livyatan were to damage them the shark would be doomed. However, many other whales are only averagely intelligent for mammals and not much more intelligent than great whites. A tooth from the massive Megalodon shark. We must therefore forget the image of the megalodon that kills the livyathan have a jaw. while livyatan was maybe only about 10 km slower but the whale was about 3 times as intelligent, The Livyathan Melvillei was not bigger then the Megalodon they were the same. Whales were also smaller back then, whale sizes increased during the time of megalodons extinction so larger whales might’ve been harder for the megalodon to catch. A true indicator(and this is still only an indicator and doesn’t necessarily always mean stuff) of intelligence is a higher number of neurons in the forebrain. There is some debate over whether it is closely related to the Great White, or whether it was the last in a lineage of giant toothed sharks. the livyatan probably had a pod of up to around 5-20 whales much like modern pods. So, what do you think? I want to clarify that the bite force of the livyatan, until now has never been evaluated. cetaceans are smart while working together and can flip over and paralyze a megalodon, or bite the megalodons vulnerable underbelly. Some have claimed that whales are only slightly smarter than sharks and aren’t as intelligent as actual exceptionally intelligent animals like dolphins. Livyatan attacks with its tail using blunt force like a cane, club or hammer. and best defense. This means megalodon won’t be able to penetrate the sperm whales or livyatans armor. Yes, its teeth were more like those of a scaled-up orca, but in terms of other aspects like speed and manoeuvrability, I think it would probably have been more like a modern sperm whale, and we don't have any evidence of modern sperm whales attacking great whites. Once they became bigger, faster and able to go to colder climates megalodon and Livyatan went extinct so in the evolutionary battle the true winner are modern whales who won just by moving to the Artic. Colossal Squid Boss vs Zombie Shark,Atomic,Big Momma,Killer Whale,Megalodon - Hungry Shark. Back when Megalodon was first discovered researchers put its estimated length at 80-100 feet, but in recent times there are more realistic numbers. While they are aggressive and intelligent hunters it is uncertain how they would approach the megalodon if they were alive today, but it is possible that the killer whale may stand a chance against these large predators. Essentially a 10 million year old sperm whale that lived in the same seas as the shark. The whales would use tactics to encircle the megalodon, and they would all attack at once with their sonar communications. Livyatan is known from a single skull found in Peru in 2008. 6:54. If these apex predators came together to fight, bite force won't be very useful, however, the megalodon has a speed that is much higher than the leviathan, and the leviathan has an intellect a megalodon never had. Again I don’t think it’s going to one or the other in every encounter but I’d put my money on the predatory whale. The livyatan would probably win by a small margin not because of brains or agility but because of stronger bones, blubber armor, and a head ram. It would be a close fight as they are the same size and preyed on similarly sized and in some cases the same animals. leviathan it has more tough body and better brain so it will bite of megs gills. So who was king of the ancient ocean, the true apex predator of the Miocene? If it is over 13 Livy can still kill it by ramming or biting its belly. Livatan becouse new evidenc bring down megalodon size estimates to max 15m or 50 feet. The Grand Theft Auto V: Premium Online Edition & Megalodon Shark Card Bundle includes the complete Grand Theft Auto V story experience, free access to the ever evolving Grand Theft Auto Online and all existing gameplay upgrades and content. this whale hunt alone. I would say comparing them are not fair, because it's too easy for a Meg to kill the leviathan. I don't think livyatan hunts sharks considering there are no known evidences of that but the megalodon is used to hunting whales and livyatan is one of them. Livyatan win the livyatan is a killer whale and the megalodon a greate white shark a killer whale os stornger, I think Livyatan Melvillei will win because they were so huge and teeth are bigger than megalodon and they were more intelligent than megalodon so 100% Livyatan Melvillei win this battle, Leviathan wins... Just like killer whales and large sharks today, I belive the Levyathan wins because we don't know if I'd lived in pods, so if it did megalodon would become lunch, Megalodon was not built like a normal shark and was more robust than the whale so o voted megalodon, megalodon wins the match pretty easy had alot more teeth, kinda 15-18 cm long it had 276 teeth and strongest bite force of al, animals ever lived 41.000 pounds that around 19 tons but the livyatan whale had twice bigger teeth megalodon was faster with 70 kmh and megalodon also had a thick body so it can take a hit mabye megalodon would go for his flippers first so -1 flipper almost impossible to run from megalodon and he also need to breath he need to go up to breath so it would drown and megalodon had a good lunch in my opinion :}. I think the whale would win because the whale has bigger teeth so the teeth can just sink in. No study above, but if we take the example of the mako shark and the great white shark with a similar morphology, on realizes that the great white, despite a higher cruising speed is slower in top speed and c 'is an observation that can be made on all sharks of the same morphology and on all animals with low endurance (ex: feline) probably due to a weight / expense factor. The Livyatan would win because the Meg went extinct while the sperm whales still exist. About the Megalodon Shark. shark's under belly is its weakness. megalodons are faster. Fin, blue, sei, southern right, bowhead, and possibly humpback whales could all probably survive a single bite from a megalodon. Megalodon’s tactic is about killing whales by using ambush tactics, it uses its powerful bite force as its advantage. :) ^-^ and meg is not smart so yeah. Megalodon really only knew 3 words. For comparison, the fastest sharks today travel at 60 mph which is but not significantly. 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